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Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

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Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Mickey » 01 Oct 2009, 23:53

Don't get me wrong, i haven't buy it yet, but i read a review at amazon and it sounds horrible what warner did with something that has to be so good.

First, there are 2 dvds but they are single layer, which means lot of compression and artifacts on the video. The justify my love was announced to be unedited, but is the censored edition.

The full review

Before anyone gets on my case, I HAVE THE DVD and am watching it right now.

Let me start off on a positive note, the DVD set contains 47 videos on 2 DVDs. Some good ones are inexplicably omitted (Dress You Up, Oh Father, Bad Girl, Fever, This Used to Be My Playground, Substitute For Love, Nothing Really Matters, American Life, etc) but there is a lot of good material released here for the first time. The audio is generally excellent. The 5.1 track is not really a 5.1 mix, it is simulated and sounds terrible. Stick with the PCM stereo track, it sounds fantastic.

I won't comment much on the content of the videos. They are some of the most famous and influential music videos ever made. This is classic stuff. With the exception of Justify My Love (see below) all of the videos are uncut.

Now on to the picture quality...what the hell happened here? It's not as horrible as some people have claimed, but it is WAY below standard. There are serious compression artifacts throughout all of the videos. Pixellation, smearing, graininess, blotchy color, blurring, interlacing artifacts. It's all there and it looks bad. I am watching the DVD on an upscaling Blu Ray player on a 52" LCD 1080P television. It won't look as bad on a smaller TV, but it still won't look great. I have honestly seen VHS look better than some of the videos. The Immaculate Collection DVD, which was made from a 19 year old master, looks better.

The problem is that someone made the really, really stupid decision to use single layer DVDs instead of the industry standard dual layer DVDs. I suspect this decision was made late in the process to save a few cents and the program was re-compressed to fit in half the space. There is too much compression and too much picture quality lost. I'll bet the original master was for 2 dual layer DVDs and it probably looked very good. It is hard to believe that anyone at Warner quality control approved the picture quality on these DVDs. Didn't Madonna sign off on a release copy??

I thought it might have something to do with the age of some of the videos, but the most recent ones look just as bad. The brand new Celebration video only looks slightly better than VHS quality. And it is ridiculous that the widescreen videos are not in 16:9 format, even the recent ones filmed in 16:9 HD are in letterboxed 4:3.

There really is no excuse for this to happen, especially from a company as large as Warner and an artist as big as Madonna. Using single layer DVDs could have only saved them a few cents. On a $30 set, that is inexcusable.

I would strongly suggest not buying this DVD until Warner addresses the situation. I think outcry among the fans will (hopefully) cause Warner to do the right thing and release a corrected version on dual layer discs.

UPDATE - One more thing, the video for Justify My Love is CENSORED! This video was widely released uncensored as a video single in 1991 and sold millions of copies. And NOW, 18 years later, it is censored?? Just unbelievable.

Also, the Amazon description claiming the DVD has "unedited and never before seen footage of 'Justify My Love'" is completely false. There is no new footage at all. In fact, you actually see less because of the censorship.

If I could split my rating, it would be 4 stars for content and 1 star for quality.

http://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Video ... 117&sr=8-3


I will buy it someday. but i will so mad with the quality thing, maybe warner will made a dual layer version soon, hope there are lots and lots of complains about these so they see that we want something with madonna quality.

Have anyone here bought it yet? Is the quality thing really so bad, can someone post screen grabs?
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Dom » 02 Oct 2009, 00:04

Apparently it's to do with the DVDs. They're set in NTSC, which is for US players. That's why the quality looks so shit on European DVDs. I'm not explaining it well, i'm not a techie. lol. But that's what i've read on various forums.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Zac Efron » 02 Oct 2009, 05:11

So far I've only watched it on a portable DVD player and everything was fine.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Mickey » 03 Oct 2009, 00:41

Dominic wrote:Apparently it's to do with the DVDs. They're set in NTSC, which is for US players. That's why the quality looks so shit on European DVDs. I'm not explaining it well, i'm not a techie. lol. But that's what i've read on various forums.

but the reviewer is from Phoenix, i hope that the dvd looks good on a normal tv, i will buy it but i don't want to be dissapointed by the quality, i had bought several dvds that had video qualitu issues and when than happens is a shame.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby [Tyler] » 03 Oct 2009, 05:36

I love the DVD. I have nothing to complain about, except for those censor bars in Justify My Love.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Si_mon » 05 Oct 2009, 17:06

It looks good and sharp on my 32 inch television. :)
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby fafafab » 05 Oct 2009, 20:36

[Tyler] wrote:I love the DVD. I have nothing to complain about, except for those censor bars in Justify My Love.


just like we saw it on tv, cause othrwise it will be soft porn :devil:
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Gonnabe » 06 Oct 2009, 10:29

I bought it. It is not what I expected. I was only interested in her 1990's and 2000's videos. not the earlier. I liked some of the old ones but they look too cheap for nowadays. I hated the fact that some vidz were not there. and the worst that happen is that I realized that Madoona is not the creative person she once was. Look at Frozen, Bed time stories, the power of goodbye, hollywood, love profusion and so many others that don't remember right now and look at the latest uncreative teribbly stupid videos of Hung up, get together, sorry, jump, 4 minutes, give it 2 me and miles away and the worst of all... celebration...

She needs to start doing cool videos again.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Schizo-Star » 06 Oct 2009, 23:16

The thing i don't understand the most is, videos filmed in widescreen, have been chaned back to 4:3?! whyyyyyyy.
substituite and nothing really matters are amazing videos. silly silly record company.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Halit » 12 Oct 2009, 00:16

this is warner bors. records' fault.
they sent NTSC formatted DVDs to the rest of the europe, to Turkey, too.
they should have been PAL.
P A L .
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Mickey » 15 Oct 2009, 20:36

I found some screen grabs and it does look bad
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I'm still waiting to get the digipack version, maybe warner fix the discs.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Vomiting Porpoise » 16 Oct 2009, 13:42

mkhuete wrote:I'm still waiting to get the digipack version, maybe warner fix the discs.


I don't think Warners give a toss or they would have put more effort into the whole project.
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby fafafab » 17 Mar 2010, 18:17

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vicvic got it for me in LDN, the only thing that bothers me is a black line at the side of the screen, like the screen is wider than the video and they had to put that in to fill the space, I don't get it
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Vomiting Porpoise » 17 Mar 2010, 18:53

Are you watching them on a widescreen TV?
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby Synthpop » 17 Mar 2010, 19:38

only thing that bothers me is that theres no Fever, Bad Girl or AL video
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Re: Celebration: The Video Collection, bad quality and censored

Postby fafafab » 17 Mar 2010, 21:23

Vomiting Porpoise wrote:Are you watching them on a widescreen TV?


I watched it in a regular tv and then in my computer using VLC player, both times had the black filling there, but not all videos have it, just some

and also, Human Nature video is very LQ, looks youtubelike

Synthpop wrote:only thing that bothers me is that theres no Fever, Bad Girl or AL video


I wanted American Life too :( I have it though, ripped from youtube, one of her best videos even though not her best song
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