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Re: Spice Girls Singles/Albums UK Sales: Group & Solo

Postby PeruvianSpice » 21 Mar 2017, 06:46

VivaMGMVE wrote:
Jay wrote:
PeruvianSpice wrote:Could u do a comparisson of how much they sold prior to this update (maybe up to 2007) and then with this numbers? To see how much they've increased


I'm not sure if there's much data for up to 2007 but I've happened to stumble upon the fact that 'Spice Up Your Life' was on 817,435 on 18th November 2007! It's on 910,000 now (including streaming data) so that's a very nice increase for it! It was on 830,854 in June 2009 and 850,434 in August 2012. So an increase of 60,000 in just under 5 years.

Here's the leap in sales from what some of their singles were on by the end of the 90s decade, compared to the totals they're on now:

915,000 to 961,000 (= +46,000) - Say You'll Be There [not including streams]
1,070,000 to 1,140,000 (= +70,000) - 2 Become 1 [not including streams]
660,000 to 730,000 (= +70,000) - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are [inc. streaming units]
805,000 to 910,000 (= +105,000) - Spice Up Your Life [inc. streaming units]
655,000 to 690,000 (= +35,000) - Too Much [inc. streaming units]
331,000 to 420,200 (= +89,200) - Stop [inc. streaming units]
625,000 to 700,000 (= +75,000) - Viva Forever [inc. streaming units]
835,000 to 900,000 (= +65,000) - Goodbye [inc. streaming units]

Holler/Let Love Lead The Way was released in 2000, by the end of that year it was on 212,000 that that was only a little over 2 months of sales. The increase to 260,000 by 2015 means it sold 48,000 from 2001 to 2015.

Wannabe is a rather tricky one to compare, for reasons which are really complicated to explain. I'll attempt it, lol. :') [Argh I ended up writing so much, I'll forgive people for not reading this post lol :p ]

In about 2007, Official Charts Company decided that the total sales data they had for singles released in 1994, 1995 and 1996 had been overestimated. Back in 94-96, chart sales were worked out based on data provided to them by record stores... but in '94 only 75% of stores could transmit this data. Therefore OCC used a formula based on this sample size, to work out how much singles might have sold across every store including the ones that didn't submit data. By 1996 the sample size of stores submitting data had increased to 90%+. As of 1997 it increased to 99%, so therefore the charts became a lot more accurate than ever before.

So, although back in the 90s Wannabe was said to have sold 1,269,000 copies... by 2007 it was decided by the OCC that they should only use the sales data that had been submitted to them by stores at the time, rather than the figures they worked out from their sample size. So 'Wannabe' was reduced to around 1,180,000 as its 90s total instead.

Throughout the years the OCC have been very inconsistent in what sales they based an updated Wannabe total on. Sometimes they went by the "reported sales only" figure, but on other occasions they've gone with the higher "reported sales + estimated sales based on sample size" sales. For instance, in August 2012 a total sales figure of 1,242,521 was given for Wannabe, suggesting they were basing these total sales of the 1,180,000 in the 90s figure - so an increase of 60,000 downloads. Then in December 2014 they stated 1,280,000 - therefore an increase of 100,000 since the downgraded 90s total. On the other hand, they reported 1,340,000 in June 2013, suggesting they were going off of the higher total instead - indicating a 71,000 download increase in downloads. Most recently they've stated 1,380,000 in March 2017 - 111,000 increase in downloads.

So in summary it's gone like this:

1,180,000 to 1,242,521 = 60,000 downloads increase (lower 90s figure to August 2012)
1,269,000 to 1,340,000 = 71,000 downloads increase (higher 90s figure to June 2013)
1,180,000 to 1,280,000 = 100,000 downloads increase (lower 90s figure to December 2014)
1,269,000 to 1,380,000 = 111,000 downloads increase (higher 90s figure to March 2017)

Whichever overall total is taken to be correct, I think it seems fair enough to assume it's sold ~110,000+ downloads in the digital era. It'd be very interesting to find out how much data from streaming units would add to their running total! I have no idea what that's likely to be unfortunately, I don't know how many times it's been streamed in the UK from 2014 to now (2014 is when streaming units started to get added). Wouldn't surprise me if it was well over 100,000 additional sales from streaming units though.

Download sales certainly build up in the background. If Wannabe has actually sold 51,000 downloads from August 2012 to March 2017 as the above figures suggest, it'd have sold 215 downloads on average per week, which is feasible. Streaming units will definitely be contributing a lot more than that to Wannabe each week.

I'll stop writing now...! :hunny:


You are a goddammed treasure, Jay. Thanks for such interesting and thoughtful posts. Love it.


Jay, thanks so much for taking your time and writing this! It's really interesting and helpful

I'm Happy seeing those figures to "Goodbye", "Too Much"... and actually all of their singles
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Postby Stas » 21 Mar 2017, 08:07

In a few years they might have 5 million sellers just in UK with the streams going up like that. :love:
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Postby simby » 21 Mar 2017, 11:33

What is the last official sales of SYBT?
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Postby Official Spiceworld » 21 Mar 2017, 13:14

simby wrote:What is the last official sales of SYBT?


961,000
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Postby Peter » 21 Mar 2017, 14:46

Jay wrote:I liked them a lot too! Whole Again, You Are, It's OK, The Tide Is High, Be With You and If You Come To Me are my favourite singles of theirs. Image

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These are exact the same songs of them I love!!! You just forgot to add 'Last Goodbye' and 'Ladies Night'!
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Postby simby » 21 Mar 2017, 18:35

Official Spiceworld wrote:
simby wrote:What is the last official sales of SYBT?


961,000

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Postby RobKelly666 » 21 Mar 2017, 18:56

I wonder if Say You'll Be There is nearer to 1 million since the last update then?

It must be surely . . .
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Postby Jay » 21 Mar 2017, 19:54

VivaMGMVE wrote:You are a goddammed treasure, Jay. Thanks for such interesting and thoughtful posts. Love it.

PeruvianSpice wrote:Jay, thanks so much for taking your time and writing this! It's really interesting and helpful
I'm Happy seeing those figures to "Goodbye", "Too Much"... and actually all of their singles

:D Thank you to you both, glad you liked my post! :lovers:

Stas wrote:In a few years they might have 5 million sellers just in UK with the streams going up like that. :love:

That would be incredible! Unfortunately I doubt Goodbye will do it in a hurry as it's their third least popular single on Spotify... :( Spice Up Your Life on the other hand has a good chance of doing it within the next few years I guess?

The Spice Girls wrote:These are exact the same songs of them I love!!! You just forgot to add 'Last Goodbye' and 'Ladies Night'!

I really like those as well! *.* I'll have to have a listening session of their stuff, it's been quite a while, haha.

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Postby PeruvianSpice » 21 Mar 2017, 22:24

I truly enjoy your insight! I'm kind of a Charts fanatic also... it's just that I don't have Access to that so it's lovely Reading about it
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Postby Official Spiceworld » 24 Mar 2017, 15:09

WDYTYA/Mama remains the 4th best selling Comic Relief single of all time and the best seller of the 90s! :D

Total UK sales are now saying 732,000 :D

The latest article from the Official Charts for Red Nose Day


http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-official-biggest-selling-comic-relief-singles-revealed__18581/
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Postby Fenrik » 25 Mar 2017, 15:45

A break down of the worldwide sales:
http://chartmasters.org/2017/03/cspc-sp ... -analysis/
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Postby Official Spiceworld » 25 Mar 2017, 16:50

Fenrik wrote:A break down of the worldwide sales:
http://chartmasters.org/2017/03/cspc-sp ... -analysis/


Wow I love this page?

But is this accurate?

I though Spice sold 800k plus in Japan and isn't the figure for Europe of 9.2 million copies too high?


Thank you very much for the link :D

I'm such a geek when it comes to sales and statistics. I love it! :D
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Postby Fenrik » 25 Mar 2017, 18:22

Official Spiceworld wrote:
Fenrik wrote:A break down of the worldwide sales:
http://chartmasters.org/2017/03/cspc-sp ... -analysis/


Wow I love this page?

But is this accurate?

I though Spice sold 800k plus in Japan and isn't the figure for Europe of 9.2 million copies too high?


Thank you very much for the link :D

I'm such a geek when it comes to sales and statistics. I love it! :D


No problem!

I have no idea how accurate this is though (Jay?? :D )

They`ve done it to many other artists as well (Britney etc).
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Postby Jay » 25 Mar 2017, 19:13

I haven't read through the whole article yet (bar looking at what that site's final total is), I've skimmed through it though! I wouldn't say for certain that it's accurate or inaccurate, but it certainly looks like a lot of work has gone into it so I respect that. I'm just of the opinion that worldwide sales is a difficult subject to determine a "correct answer" for, even if you try and apply logic to it. I don't necessarily agree that 85m is correct either, but it's certainly a widely reported figure by reputable websites, so it may as well be accepted imo.

Btw is the article suggesting 48m album sales before taking into account singles? :confused:
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Postby Official Spiceworld » 12 Apr 2017, 14:00

I was reading an article the other day about the Spice Girls GH sales in the U.S. and they shipped and sold over 600,000 copies through the Victoria's Secret retailer and not through general record stores until later on. As these first week sales did not contribute to the Billboard chart and it eventually peaked at #93, if they had sold the 600k in the first few weeks and it had been released in record stores, would it have charted higher?
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Postby tommie » 12 Apr 2017, 17:53

Official Spiceworld wrote:I was reading an article the other day about the Spice Girls GH sales in the U.S. and they shipped and sold over 600,000 copies through the Victoria's Secret retailer and not through general record stores until later on. As these first week sales did not contribute to the Billboard chart and it eventually peaked at #93, if they had sold the 600k in the first few weeks and it had been released in record stores, would it have charted higher?


The Victoria's Secret Deal was the best thing they could've done - that way they basically secured a Gold certification no matter if they sold that amount or not.

But yes, it would've obviously charted higher - probably lower top ten, but I can't see it ever having sold 500k copies there without the VS deal.
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Postby sammy01 » 12 Apr 2017, 18:47

I think the week after the Olympics (so Aug 2012) we got a leak of sales for the GH in the US but it was its digital sales only and was 25k.

So as of Aug 2012 the GH in the US had sold 600k copies to VS and 25k digital copies. No idea what it sold physically through normal stores.The cd/dvd version was released in Jan 2008 and was mainly what made it chart at #93 as fans hadn't been able to get that version up until then.
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Postby AmAdEus.lb » 12 Apr 2017, 19:55

I always wonder why Middle Eastern sales are never ever taken into account, whilst Latin America is always included.
The Middle East region has over 400 million people, and the Spice Girls were massive all over Arabia.
I lived in Beirut and Dubai. Both cities had and still do have Virgin Megastores in addition to other proper record store chains.
Spice Girls albums on cassettes and CD's were sold legally, their songs received heavy radio and TV airplay. So many people I know owned a Spice Girls CD. Why their Middle Eastern sales are never covered?
I also imagine the same could be said about Israel, Egypt, Turkey etc...
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Postby AmAdEus.lb » 12 Apr 2017, 20:45

Not True. As I mentioned I lived in both Beirut and Dubai and 99% of CD's sold were legal. In fact Dubai had zero illegal Cd's.
Virgin and other proper record stores would never sell counterfeits.
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Postby Kareem » 12 Apr 2017, 22:33

budhi wrote:Because 99% of CD's in Arab countries are illegally made CD's.


That's not true.

CDs sold in stores in the Middle East are all via record labels. However people used to copy cds and share them around . But everything sold in music stores are legal. Back in the 90s it was mostly cassettes and they were all distributed either directly by virgin / emi etc...or by a legal representative of these labels.
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Postby mad_ad » 12 Apr 2017, 22:41

budhi wrote:Because 99% of CD's in Arab countries are illegally made CD's.


I think you may be thinking of China
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Postby WhatTheHell » 13 Apr 2017, 10:25

mad_ad wrote:
budhi wrote:Because 99% of CD's in Arab countries are illegally made CD's.


I think you may be thinking of China


Or Russia! They have such a funny unofficial editions hahaha
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Postby Stas » 13 Apr 2017, 13:07

To be fair, they would have sold tens of millions of copies if there were legal CDs in Russia back then. They were in every chart, on every paper's front page etc. It was insane.
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Postby Stas » 13 Apr 2017, 13:08

WhatTheHell wrote:
mad_ad wrote:
budhi wrote:Because 99% of CD's in Arab countries are illegally made CD's.


I think you may be thinking of China


Or Russia! They have such a funny unofficial editions hahaha


Oops, I replied without reading your reply. Oops.
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Postby tommie » 13 Apr 2017, 13:12

AmAdEus.lb wrote:I always wonder why Middle Eastern sales are never ever taken into account, whilst Latin America is always included.
The Middle East region has over 400 million people, and the Spice Girls were massive all over Arabia.
I lived in Beirut and Dubai. Both cities had and still do have Virgin Megastores in addition to other proper record store chains.
Spice Girls albums on cassettes and CD's were sold legally, their songs received heavy radio and TV airplay. So many people I know owned a Spice Girls CD. Why their Middle Eastern sales are never covered?
I also imagine the same could be said about Israel, Egypt, Turkey etc...


Does the Middle East have official chart companies tracking the sales?

If not, that's probably why.

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