A bit harsh.

[nona]

Here is some evidence that what I have discussed is a genuine fact/concern and that I am not the "idiot" I am nastily made out to be...

This is a comment a reader made on the daily mail:

"I think Harper is a beautiful baby! But it does seem like she's a fashion accessory. I see this kid way too much in the papers for being 1 and a baby. I feel the same way about Suri Curise. Is it that great of an idea to expose you children to the press that much? I am guessing not...for a variety of reasons. As the right to privacy is a hot topic in light of another beautiful brunette, Harper's right to privacy around the adolescent years when she's fighting anorexia, getting into teenage trouble or typical teenage rebellion is most likely going to be gone. I have no doubt that V and D love their chidren to beyond words and oceans but enough is enough."
- SoulCycler, New York City, 15/9/2012 4:30

I don't want to get into this discussion (don't have kids and don't know people in question personally so there really isn't much I could say), but posting something from DM comment section is not an evidence of anything. Most people posting there are nasty and/or ignorant. Line about "fighting anorexia" (WTF?!) proves my point.

[RainbowNerdette]

Well I can see her point there! Victoria takes Harper everywhere during the fashion shows etc. If she doesn't want her little girl in the spotlight then she should of leave Harper at home with David. They're very busy celebrity couple! And yes she should of pushing Harper in the pram.

How she should raise her baby is how she wants. The baby is loved,fed, & cared for. That's all that matters. Mind your own damn business.

+ Many!

It is VERY important for a child to be with their mother! Especially for young girls, also: a kid in a pram feels alone, because of the total lack of contact (it can't even see you) which is ok if you're like, in Disneyland or something, but if there were photographers (or fans or whatever other crowd with their attention on me and my baby) the FIRST thing I would do is take the kid out and hold it, not even just for the babies comfort, but for my own as well: the pram could be trampled, it could be unreachable through the crowd if my child should need me (even at an armslength it can be impossible to get a 1yo out) and the kid would be a LOT more vulnerable to anything from people pushing a camera in her face all the way to actually being taken from the pram. Not from your arms though, no matter how petite, mothers are a dangerous species, the really can hulk out! (minus the ripped/green thing)

And you're talking to a girl who has literally grown crooked from carrying a baby/toddler around on her hip

[kittie]

Seriously it's a discussion board ...don't like it then you can go away and not comment , simple as that....
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This is denden, plus it's the section of Victoria..discussing stuff here or saying something "bad" about Victoria does not really work here, as you see.

[RainbowNerdette]

Seriously it's a discussion board ...don't like it then you can go away and not comment , simple as that....
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This is denden, plus it's the section of Victoria..discussing stuff here or saying something "bad" about Victoria does not really work here, as you see.

If it were a respectful objection to her choices rather than an outright attack it might've been received differently though!

[IER]

But you wouldn't call Victoria your average mother would you?

Of course she's not. But the fact that she, being one of the most famous women in the world, is rising her children as if she was any other normal woman (with money, of course) is something to be proud of. She could've done the easy way and having nanies and such to rise her children while she's enjoying fame, success and money, but she hasn't done that with any of her 4 kids. So, in that matter, she is an "average mother", maybe even more down to earth and caring that a lot of not-famous mothers out there.

She had to choose between giving her children a normal life, teaching them how those paparazzis are "only pictures" and won't do them any hamr if they don't let them... or rising her kids hiding them all the time, teaching them that paparazzis are EVIL and won't let them ever live their life. I'm glad she chose the first even if that means her children will be all over the internet all the time. It's the price they have to pay for being the Beckhams kid, but I guess it's a low price compared to a "normal life" like any other of their little friends.

[spicefreak]

I remember when I knew everything about parenting too. It was before I was a parent too.

Oh please pull the other one. You have every right to think Victoria is doing the right things just as the other user has the right to think that she isn't. I'm not a parent but that doesn't mean I can't have ideas on the correct ways to raise children. There are millions of parents out there that abuse their children... but of coure they know better than me how to treat a child because they are a parent... seriously get over yourself.

[TheBiatches]

Well I can see her point there! Victoria takes Harper everywhere during the fashion shows etc. If she doesn't want her little girl in the spotlight then she should of leave Harper at home with David. They're very busy celebrity couple! And yes she should of pushing Harper in the pram.

How she should raise her baby is how she wants. The baby is loved,fed, & cared for. That's all that matters. Mind your own damn business.

+ Many!

In Mel B's forum you're going on and on and on about Stephen being a bad step-father only because of one picture from years ago, but with Victoria people have to mind their own business? That's a big phat double standard.

[VodkaMouth]

Well I can see her point there! Victoria takes Harper everywhere during the fashion shows etc. If she doesn't want her little girl in the spotlight then she should of leave Harper at home with David. They're very busy celebrity couple! And yes she should of pushing Harper in the pram.

How she should raise her baby is how she wants. The baby is loved,fed, & cared for. That's all that matters. Mind your own damn business.

+ Many!

In Mel B's forum you're going on and on and on about Stephen being a bad step-father only because of one picture from years ago, but with Victoria people have to mind their own business? That's a big phat double standard.

+ Many!

[RainbowNerdette]

Well I can see her point there! Victoria takes Harper everywhere during the fashion shows etc. If she doesn't want her little girl in the spotlight then she should of leave Harper at home with David. They're very busy celebrity couple! And yes she should of pushing Harper in the pram.

How she should raise her baby is how she wants. The baby is loved,fed, & cared for. That's all that matters. Mind your own damn business.

+ Many!

In Mel B's forum you're going on and on and on about Stephen being a bad step-father only because of one picture from years ago, but with Victoria people have to mind their own business? That's a big phat double standard.

The situations are quite different as my only point of "objection" to him being a good father was a physical abuse that was caught on camera (yes it is physical abuse, unknowingly hurting a child is still abuse if someone could have known better than to engage in the behavior that caused it) I also pointed out that I can't judge on anything but those facts.

In this case we were discussing whether or not a child should be carried/put in a pram/left at home/stay with her mother. Since all options are very acceptable, regarding the child's well being as well as culturally, it isn't something I think we shouldn't be slamming people over.

There is a huge, huge difference between (taking a serious risk of-) causing a child physical harm and holding it in your arms instead of putting it in a pram so quit comparing apples and oranges

(oh, and Stephen ain't a Spice Girl, no matter how hard he tries... I'm way more defensive when it comes to the girls Spice Cadet!!!

[Joanhs]

Honestly, I don't care.. It's victorias life, maybe she isn't that harsh anymore, maybe Harper is her mini-me, I don't know and I don't care, as long everything is fine.
There are those celebs who never spends time with their kids, and then there are those who take them everywhere,

[Heather]

I remember when I knew everything about parenting too. It was before I was a parent too.

Oh please pull the other one. You have every right to think Victoria is doing the right things just as the other user has the right to think that she isn't. I'm not a parent but that doesn't mean I can't have ideas on the correct ways to raise children. There are millions of parents out there that abuse their children... but of coure they know better than me how to treat a child because they are a parent... seriously get over yourself.

I was talking about how it said they should over the stroller with a blanket.
Um the kid is like 15 months old she would not tolerate that. So yeahyou'd have to be a parent or a nanny or something to know that. It's about child development.

[Josh 7]

This is quite an interesting debate actually, and I can see the pros and cons from both sides of the coin. I don't really have an opinion on what the "right" course of action to take would be on this (or even if there is one) - I guess in the end it comes down to the decision of the parent, and at the very least I think we can all agree that Victoria would never intentionally put Harper in harm's way. It's sort of a catch 22 situation - it's either keep Harper close to her but subject her to all the media attention that comes with that, or cocoon her from all that but pay the price through spending far less time with her.

I have to say a couple of you do seem to be getting a tad fired up about this though - Heather, I don't think the original poster meant any offence, but intended to raise a genuine point of debate. Would I be accurate in thinking that your passion on this subject stems from you yourself being a parent? I'm not a parent myself, so I can respect how I might be coming at this from a different angle than you, and it's interesting to see the different reactions that this invokes.

RainbowNerdette - I'm more of a lurker than a poster here, but I always find your thoughts very entertaining and informative, and you come across as a really lovely person. I can see the point TheBiatches was making re your posts in Mel B's forum, but I thought you handled your response wonderfully (not that you need any approval from me of course!).

As for you Matthew - it's been way too long! Hope you're good xx

[spicefreak]

I remember when I knew everything about parenting too. It was before I was a parent too.

Oh please pull the other one. You have every right to think Victoria is doing the right things just as the other user has the right to think that she isn't. I'm not a parent but that doesn't mean I can't have ideas on the correct ways to raise children. There are millions of parents out there that abuse their children... but of coure they know better than me how to treat a child because they are a parent... seriously get over yourself.

I was talking about how it said they should over the stroller with a blanket.
Um the kid is like 15 months old she would not tolerate that. So yeahyou'd have to be a parent or a nanny or something to know that. It's about child development.

I did do a GCSE, an A-Level and a module at University in Child Development towards my degree, and also I work teaching in foundation at a schoo so I guess I do know a thing or two about child development.

It's nonsense that a child wouldn't tolerate it... maybe yours wouldn't but children are all different you can't generalise like that... but I guess you wouldn't know because all your supposed knowledge comes from being a parent therefore from you own children only (see the argument works against you too). There are prams you can buy with covers to keep the rain out, and some of these can be blacked out so there are other ways of doing this also.

I personally think its up to the parents what they do (although the Beckhams are incredibly hypcritical to put her in the spotlight then harass people against having pictures of their children on here)... the only thing that as annoyed me is you believing that only parents can have correct opinions on these matters thats total nonsense.

[Suzanne]

I don't think that we are the ones to decide what she should do with Harper or the other children. She is their mother, so she knows her children and can decide what's the best for them. So saying what she should and shouldn't do is not our job.

[Lah]

I don't think that we are the ones to decide what she should do with Harper or the other children. She is their mother, so she knows her children and can decide what's the best for them. So saying what she should and shouldn't do is not our job.

+1

[breezyspice]

I wish people would stop judging things so mortally when all they see are photographs.

Besides, average people plaster their children all over the internet too - so maybe Victoria is an average parent afterall.

[RainbowNerdette]

Thnx Josh! I try to see all sides of a story before writing my often quite opinionated posts, but sometimes they still come across wrong Funny to see that it's usually the people who post fierce language themselves that take offence though but love me a good discussion.

I can understand the Beckhams not wanting their children on here. They have no legal possibilities to stop us from discussing them but if they could, they probably would too, so the next best thing is prohibiting the pictures and hope it minimizes the talking about them.

Look how we treat people: DenDenners, "civilians", even the Girls themselves. You could label a good percentage of posts on here as hatemail, public hatemail as everyone can see it. If someone were to post things about your children on a hatemail-website you would probably go to great lengths to put a stop to that as well, including involving law enforcement or taking people to court.

Sad as it is and little as I like it, DenDen's got a rep... And to be honest, sometimes I think we deserve it (not all of us though!).

[Bri5]

I don't mind it at all. She's the mom it's her choice.

I can see the other side of the argument to though. Just few years ago their lawyers were working over time to shut down any site posting pictures of their kids and asking the paparazzi and magazines to have some respect and not take/publish pictures of their children. Now you have Harper on her mom's hip everywhere. Not just doing personal stuff but at public functions, press events..etc..

But like I said, after becoming a parent I've learned you'll never make everyone happy and everyone has an opinion on what you should be doing. I think she is just over joyed at finally having a girl and wants to be with her all the time.

[Mel_C_fan_2012]

I was not attacking Victoria at all! This is where some people have got the wrong side of the coin, like I said in my first post, it was just a curious question that is all! Not once did I ever say she was a " bad mother" or should be doing this or that. I was only saying that I found it a bit odd that for someone who has from what i have read had a go at denden to not put any pictures of her children up yet she subjects them and especially now more than ever Harper to all the media attention and I was just curious to know why this is the case.

I accept and appreciate that people hAve their own opinions, after all this is a discussion forum and I was welcoming ALL comments but I didnt appreciate that insulting name calling towards me, that was just pathetic and low as it was a justified topic to ask.

Just wanted to clear it up

[Patricia]

she's always done that with ALL her kids though, the press just seem to be specially interested in Harper cos she's her daughter and therefore sort of destined to inherit her mother's "persona"

[-Claudia-]

I think, often with Victoria, like mel2vicem said, all we see are pap photos of her that represent 2 seconds of real life time. We see it a lot, but it's still only 2 seconds of a lot! That leads to an awful lot of analysing of very short periods of time. It doesn't represent too much of Harper's every day life, I would imagine. With her being so young, she's bound to be with Victoria more.... And if it was the other way round and they'd only just had their first son and had three older daughters instead of sons (imagine!), I'm sure it'd be a similar situation with press attention etc.

[Mythical]

At the end of the day, people are going to get pics of the baby. I'm sure they realize that trying to conceal her face or avoid the papz is going to make it harder on them in the long run.