NoTW phone hacking scandal

[Lizzy]

see, I'd make up shit for a hundred thousand pounds too.

[Vitalina]

Yeah, I don't get it.. This sounds like they made this up :/

[grace4]

see, I'd make up shit for a hundred thousand pounds too.

she was paid nearlt £1million

[FrankTB]

quite OT but if i have to post it maybe this is the best place to do it:
Loos is pregnant with her 2nd baby who should be born within the next couple of months..

[grace4]

quite OT but if i have to post it maybe this is the best place to do it:
Loos is pregnant with her 2nd baby who should be born within the next couple of months..

off topic? non topic more like lol!

[Aries]

I was quite disapointed in this. It did not reveal anything we didn't already know. And I fail to see what was said that made it seem like she was lying. We knew she was paid a ton of money from the start.

[nona]

I was quite disapointed in this. It did not reveal anything we didn't already know. And I fail to see what was said that made it seem like she was lying. We knew she was paid a ton of money from the start.

Maybe the trial of Neville Thurlbeck will be more revealing in that sense, since he wasn't questioned about phone-hacking during his testimony. But even then I don't expect the story to change much, except we may found out how NoTW came to the idea. It's he said, she said situation and there will never be evidence strong enough for either side to prove their case.

[grace4]

Well actually, it tells us quite a few things that we didn't know:

Time: NT said that he'd been working on the story for months. We know how NOTW "work" on stories- it involves phone hacking, blagging, door stepping, working undercover etc. Yet throughout this whole period, the only evidence they obtained to back up the story was the text messages which Loos produced. No evidence was provided to show that these were actually sent by DB. No CCTV, receipts etc

The fact that they had been working on the story for months means that they were probably collaborating with Loos from the beginning and not right at the end as they claimed (why lie about this? Pretty obvious). If this can be shown, then it is very damaging. It would have been beyond easy to set up a meeting / conversation / other contact between DB and Loos and photograph / record it. This would have provided undeniable proof.

And the fact that they kept on threatening to release concrete evidence in the hope of extracting a confession from DB (blagging), and when one was not forthcoming they printed a front page story stating "The Confession" anyway (lying) tells its own story.

Extent of Payment: In the UK, paying a witness (and your only witness at that) £1 million does not go down well. At best, it brings into question the credibility of your witness. It provides a motive. At worst, it could render your witness' evidence inadmissible. That is why Robert Jay QC brought it up in the inquiry and that is why NL felt the need to defend his methods. If NOTW had sure fire evidence (as they claimed at the time) to support the story, they wouldn't have paid Loos almost £1million. £1 million to a 26 year old girl?

Remember that supposed plot to kidnap VB that NOTW claimed it foiled? The reason why that case was thrown out of court was because it came to light that NOTW had paid their key witness.

The above doesn't prove that Loos was lying, but it does move her even closer to the Irma Nici basket.

[nona]

The above doesn't prove that Loos was lying, but it does move her even closer to the Irma Nici basket.

All you said makes sense, but public perception is what it is and I don't think NT testimony changed anybody's opinion about this. People choosed to believe Loos long time ago (and she wasn't the only one at the time) and that's hard to change, impossible probably, Nici on the other hand, I don't think anybody ever believed her.

What do you expect his trial to be like? Will they be going into these kind of details of the cases?

[grace4]

^ I don't think so. The trial is about whether he hacked phones (criminal case)- and not whether he/Loos made up the story or whether he had sufficient evidence to go to print (which would be a civil case). I expect his trial will be like Glen Mulcaire's trial (mainly forensic evidence re phone hacking).

No NT's evidence won't have changed anything. But his integrity as a journalist was openly questioned (and not for the first time). Thats a big deal. The reporting of the whole thing will change slightly. For example, wikipedia changed its tune. Maybe not significant, but not unimportant.

[Vitalina]

Yes, the lack of evidence is more of a proof that she was lying in this case

[Aries]

What kind of proof is she supposed to have? A used condom? She made her claims (as did about 10 other girls at the time) and the Beckhams did nothing. The fact that they did not attempt to dispute the claims ala Nici, let alone sue, says enough for most people. You can say that it would have put their family through hell but they went through hell anyways and at the end of it everyone thought(knew?) DB was a serial cheater.

[Vitalina]

no, there was nothing they could proove that he did NOT do it. s all the other girls, that was just snowball effect. do you seriously believe he slept with all of them?? if he had so much sex, he would have no time to play football

[grace4]

What kind of proof is she supposed to have? A used condom? She made her claims (as did about 10 other girls at the time) and the Beckhams did nothing. The fact that they did not attempt to dispute the claims ala Nici, let alone sue, says enough for most people. You can say that it would have put their family through hell but they went through hell anyways and at the end of it everyone thought(knew?) DB was a serial cheater.

The kind of proof that Imogen Thompson had about her allegations, that the Rooney girls had about theirs and that the NOTW claimed to have but later conceded that they didn't.

NOTW had the same amount of proof as InTouch did. The evidence of the girl involved. InTouch, at least, had the madame who vouched for Nici and they, unlike NOTW had not spent months on the story. If the Nici story had been a NOTW splash, would it have been more believable?

It is not correct that they didn't do anything. They took legal action and got a settlement. That is an indisputable fact and a matter of record.

And even if they didn't do anything, it is obvious to anyone who wants to put their mind to the matter that there are many factors (a fact volunteered by Colin Myler in the inquiry). There is a vast difference between going through hell because someone has made a damaging allegation about you which lingers in the press for a few months and going through hell because you have spend a year preparing for a trial (which involves a tabloid have access to all aspects of your lives) and taking months out of your career for the trial in which members of your family and friends are examined and cross examined in a public court on aspects of their private lives. It would have been a circus and totally not needed at a time when you're trying to get on with your life / career.

People chose to believe her or not based on intuition, gut feeling or whatever- and thats ok. But to say that she proved her allegations was true or that she shouldn't be expected to have proof to back up her allegations is a nonsense.

[su79er]

All I care about is the fact that the Beckhams marriage and reputation survived - NOTW didn't

[su79er]

no, there was nothing they could proove that he did NOT do it. s all the other girls, that was just snowball effect. do you seriously believe he slept with all of them?? if he had so much sex, he would have no time to play football

agree 100% for a long-time no one dared to touch the Beckham name once the NOTW story broke so did the floodgates of wannabe "it" girls

[Fari]

Ok my personal experience with NOTW? They would believe and publish anything without any big proof. If they were around, one of you could email them and tell them 'I work for the Beckhams and Victoria hates cheese" and the would publish that. Obv. with bigger claims, they will do things to make sure it looks like it's the truth but honestly, I do not think Loos story had much truth to it. If worst comes to worst, I don't think it was anything but a one-night stand, if that.

[nona]

Phone hacking scandal comes to U.S. as lawyer vows to take on Rupert Murdoch - but who were the celebrity targets?
Three lawsuits set to be filed on behalf of unidentified clients, but they are suspected to be David Beckham, a friend of Jude Law's, and Princess Diana's butler Paul Burrell
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-are.html

[Aries]

How strange if it is really David. Yes, they have been in the US for five years but you would think the NOTW hacked the shit out of David and Victoria,as well as their family and friends, while they were in England. I remember when David went to Madrid and Victoria stayed in England the NOTW carried stories about their arguements and they had very specific details. And the NOTW themselves pointed out that the Beckhams were shocked at how much info they had, which seemed suspicious to me at the time. I always thought it was the bodyguard or Loos feeding them stories, but it was probably hacking.

[Vitalina]

I don't remember the specifics now, but you are right. I guess they could not sue Loose because they could not hold anything against her, but no there is some proof that their privacy was invaded