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Came Out 9/06/12 :)

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Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Rocko » 08 Jun 2012, 23:57

Hi, I used to use this forum years ago when I was a teen, I cannot remember my username or password to use my old account. I'm not a fan of the spice girls anymore my music taste changed to rock/ hip hop stuff. I browse the forum every 6 months or so to see if Mel C releases any new music as I always tend to like her solo stuff. I have been on here alot more over the last couple of weeks reading threads in small talk which I'm relating to right now.
I'd be really grateful if you could take the time to read my topic and leave advice and opinions.

Well this is a thread about coming out and I can't believe I'm actually typing this as it was worse fear and blocked out secret I had for years. I guess some think that liking spice girls means you must be gay and when kids knew that when I was in school they teased me. It wasn't that I just liked spice girls, I liked pop music in genral... acts like backstreet boys and Pj and Duncan lol. I carried on liking pop music till I was about 15 I think and I got badly teased for it and so I always had that feeling from that moment that I wasn't right. I always knew I liked guys as well as girls but I blocked it out of my head and tried my best to ignore it. When I think back now though I remember lots of moments from a very young age of 5 where I would watch TV and be attracted to actors on the screen and be turned on when I saw the fetishs I liked happen on the screen and carried on. So I know I was born that way, I went through a stage where I thought It must be the enviroment I grew up in and I was starting to resent my father for not taking me to play football and different sports - So then I started to force myself to play different sports I had no interest in but I was hoping it would cure me. Then I went through a stage of I must have a mental illness and it will go away as long as I keep ignoring it and I find a girl friend.

I've had serious relationships with girls who I loved so much but if I'm completely honest I never reached a sexual point when having sex if you get what I mean. I was so dying to enjoy it and get turned on and I rarely enjoyed it but I just thought it will come eventually and feel right and I will instantly be turned on when I see her stripping.

I know the main reasons why I didn't want it to be true and it's because I just never saw myself like the guys I saw who were gay around me. I see myself as a normal guy I do like my certain sport, well I just see myself as a lad. The guys who I saw were very camp and feminine and I was scared that could be me or people were going to see me like that and I certaintly was not attracted to them and that led me to think that well it's just some confusion in my head and it will go as I get older and mature. (I don't want to sound homophobic I don't see anything wrong with camp guys whatsoever I've had friends like that but I just meant I was not attracted to that type of person)

My most distictive moment I have of where I started to come out of my shell was flicking through channels and I started watching celebrity big brother (I don't usually watch crap like that) They had rugby player Gareth on there and It was the first time I saw someone who I could relate to and understand. They also had on there Andrew Stone who insisted he was straight. He might very well be but im sure most people like me thought it's so obvious mate just come out and be yourself theres nothing wrong with who you are. But then it clicked with me that I am just the same as him, I don't think anyone around me thinks I am gay though if they do then they haven't said so apart from when I was listening to pop on my disc walkman while everyone else was play my chemical romance lol in Schoool. That backlash I had in school was really humiliating and hurt so much that it sent me down a long path of denial.


I sent myself insane and I was so paronoid about someone might knowing my secret. I sent myself the most insane with I'm not masculine enough and forcing myself todo or like certain things. That was the biggest thing that sent me insane that I didn't want to be myself I wanted to be someone else, It was like every few days I'd be playing a new charecter trying to be someone different to who I am b/c I did not want to be this way I would always think in my head I just want to be normal and fit in.



After watching that Big Brother series I started really thinking and what got to me the most was that I was being a coward because I was to scared of being truthful to myself. I was doing the pray to god thing to be straight and I thought if gods real he will grant me my wish.

I started looking into the Bible b/c I heard that people change there lives with the help of God and The Bible. Reading the bible I read that it was a sin to be gay. When I read that part it was a 2 edge sword b/c for 1 I was happy that I read it was wrong but then I started to question it aswell as to weather the Bible was wrote by God b/c I knew deep down sexualality wasn't a choice, I was born with this and to me it seems natural so how could it be a sin?

That started me looking into the history of the Bible (reading and watching documentry's) from the study's I did nothing makes sence as to the story's that are wrote, the times etc don't add up and countless other bits that I wont write b/c it would be 10 pages long. What I learnt was I cant remember the Kings name but he put the Bible out there to his country to keep control over his country and make everyone behave the way he wanted them to. So it's kind of like the prime minister giving us all a book and we have to abide by his rules otherwise we go to prison. The only difference the king did was say you would go to hell.


I don't want to offend anyone with my views on the bible b/c it's such a powerful thing and I want to believe its true and I do sometimes still pray weather it's to god or just to send my thoughts out to the universe (if you have read the secret you understand what I mean by sending out thoughts to the universe). I have read countless self help books to try and be straight - what a waiste of time and money those books are!!

So recently I started to except it and felt this huge relief of my shoulders and also excited about the future!!!

This has gone on for a few months though, I work in building so I'm around guys alot and I brought up the subject of homosexuality (I didn't say I was, I just wanted to see what they thought about it) The reaction I got back was bad and it led me back down the path of I must be wrong I gotta try and be straight. I don't want to be the Joke. Right now I think I am ready to except it, I am ready but I think if I get a bad response it will send me back down that path or I will want to punch them in the face lol.

It really is not a choice though what your sexuality is, If it were then probally everyone would be straight. I also kind of believe that we were born to be a certain way that like sexuality is part of your gifts and talents and it's up to you what you do with them but if your honest and happy with yourself u will be the happiest and most succesful person alive b/c your living to your true potenial.
This is a new start in my life and im so looking forward to the rest of my life because I don't have that weight on my shoulders anymore and I will get a chance to experience what real love is. It's such a strange feeling i feel right now coming out, I feel just free and elated that Ive excepted who I am. :) :)
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Hann » 09 Jun 2012, 15:35

I dont really know what to say to this, but I know its shitty when you pour your heart out and dont get a response, so I just thought Id let you know that Ive read this, and wish you the best of luck on your journey through life.
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby megzluvsmelc » 09 Jun 2012, 15:45

WOW! That's a long story! Thanks for sharing! :)
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Andres » 09 Jun 2012, 15:58

I won't even go into the Bible part, but congrats!!
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Toefje » 09 Jun 2012, 17:00

the bible is a fairy tale book dear. glad u came out
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby RainbowNerdette » 09 Jun 2012, 17:08

^ that

And like most fairytale books there are lessons to be learned (don't talk to big hairy strangers in the middle of the woods, don't take candy from strangers etc.) But there's also nonsense in it (flying carpets/brooms, household apliances that induce a century long sleep if you fail to invite the angry witch to your babyshower...) That should probably be taken with a grain of salt the size of Australia.

Love can't be wrong and you're right for not hiding it.
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Veli » 09 Jun 2012, 17:34

Andres wrote:I won't even go into the Bible part, but congrats!!



My thoughts exactly :D I find it really funny that in this day people still follow it so blindly and treat it like it's something written by God. When it's no different than any other book ever written by other humans. Somebody shoved their believes into it and people follow it like it's God's words when it's not.

But congrats. I guess it must be even harder for the "lads" type. I didn't think about it till now. I guess it's a tiny bit easier when it was always obvious and you had all your life to accept it. Cause you wouldn't worry about your friends/family's reactions :shrug:
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby IER » 09 Jun 2012, 17:42

Anyone who believes in the Bible is like someone, in 2000 years, reading The Twilight saga and believing we were all vampires and wolfs.

The Bible is a book and should be treated as that. A book. I'm not saying God doesn't exist, just that God (if it exists) and the Church are different things and are NOT related at all. No matter how much the Church wants to talk in the name of God. And the Bible is the Church's book, so I don't see any relation with God either.

If you want to believe in God, document yourself, learn about the real story of Jesus Christ and then make your own religion based on that. But don't live your life following what the Bible says cos, imo, believing it is being ignorant. We have enough proofs already that 99% of what the Bible sayd didn't ever happen, but we do have proof that Jesus Christ existed, so I respect those who believe in God, but I laugh at those who believe in the Church and the Bible.

(sorry, that was a bit OT but since you mentioned it I couldn't help but reply)

About your issue. If you already know that your work "mates" have a bad reaction against being gay, don't tell them. You don't have to, as they're just that, people you work with. My work mates were open minded and fine and I never ever told them I was gay, cos I didn't HAVE to, same as they didn't tell me they're straight. They're not friends or family, so why bother?
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Andres » 09 Jun 2012, 17:56

I see my comment was taken not in the way I intended :p
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Veli » 09 Jun 2012, 20:01

IER wrote:
If you want to believe in God, document yourself, learn about the real story of Jesus Christ and then make your own religion based on that. But don't live your life following what the Bible says cos, imo, believing it is being ignorant. We have enough proofs already that 99% of what the Bible said didn't ever happen, but we do have proof that Jesus Christ existed, so I respect those who believe in God, but I laugh at those who believe in the Church and the Bible.


First of all: Wow, this is the first time ever I agree with you on something. :D

Second: I so agree. Everyone should learn more about those things and believe whatever they decide to believe. But not because someone told them so. You should discover God for yourself in a way (or if you don't believe in him that's fine too). I believe in God in my own way but it has nothing to do with religion or the Church.

Andres, I'm scared to ask what you meant. But I won't cause I don't want to take this topic in a different direction. It took courage for this guy to post all this so I hope more people comment on his story so he can feel better.
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Rocko » 10 Jun 2012, 00:33

Thanks guys for replying sorry it was so long but it felt good to get it of my chest. With the bible part I still believe it is the best book in the world and the best self help book u could read. Today I feel really raw and tense and I'm not sure why. My post yesterday was the first time in my life that I admitted to myself who I was and I felt a huge relief. Today I've been tense and I'm not sure why because I haven't told anyone I know and I wont because I don't feel the need or want to. I guess I just really wanted a hug after overcoming something so personal but nobody knows who is close to me what I've just done. I can't tell my family because there homophobic. Any advice guys?
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby RainbowNerdette » 10 Jun 2012, 00:43

My only advice is to at least love yourself and make sure you can be proud of you.

And like I've said before: Love can't be wrong and I can't believe in a God that would be against any form of love. I don't think those parts were interpreted/written down very well.

My mom told me, by the way, that most of the anti-gay parts were actually about male child prostitutes or something, wasn't really listening sorry, but she's read that book every way imaginable so I'm quite confident she'd be right ;-)

Can you find a GLBT friendly group within/that fits in your religion? They should be able to halp you out big time and answer your questions better than anyone on here can. Seen several of those groups at pride parades/human rights protests...

And stay away from anyone who's hatefull. I don't think hate is ever truely justifyable and it's definitely far from helpfull.

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Postby Brandamn » 10 Jun 2012, 19:16

I think you need to focus on accepting it yourself. I know you say that you have accepted it, but then I see you say things like you turned to God and the bible, and when that didn't work out, you started sending thoughts out to the universe. Finally you decided you couldn't do anything about it, but when you spoke to your coworkers about it, you went running back to thinking of ways to cure yourself.

You seem to be way too influenced by external sources, whether it be other people or other forces. It just sounds like, though you think you have accepted it, that you really haven't totally done so. You're wasting a lot of time trying to become somebody you want to be, but that person doesn't exist. I think you've realized this, but now you have to focus on wanting to be the person you are.

I think maybe you need to surround yourself with other gay people. Remember, not all of us are campy and feminine. That's merely a stereotype. Find some like-minded gay people to be around, and let them influence you. Don't rely on your coworkers for that. They are not the ones you should be using as role models.
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Rocko » 10 Jun 2012, 19:34

Brandamn wrote:I think you need to focus on accepting it yourself. I know you say that you have accepted it, but then I see you say things like you turned to God and the bible, and when that didn't work out, you started sending thoughts out to the universe. Finally you decided you couldn't do anything about it, but when you spoke to your coworkers about it, you went running back to thinking of ways to cure yourself.

You seem to be way too influenced by external sources, whether it be other people or other forces. It just sounds like, though you think you have accepted it, that you really haven't totally done so. You're wasting a lot of time trying to become somebody you want to be, but that person doesn't exist. I think you've realized this, but now you have to focus on wanting to be the person you are.

I think maybe you need to surround yourself with other gay people. Remember, not all of us are campy and feminine. That's merely a stereotype. Find some like-minded gay people to be around, and let them influence you. Don't rely on your coworkers for that. They are not the ones you should be using as role models.


Thank you Brandamm! you got it exactly right. I'm still on a c saw as to weather I'm really excepting myself. Thank you for what you wrote I really appreciate it. You nailed it in 1!
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Rocko » 10 Jun 2012, 19:37

I am going to save this what you wrote:

"You're wasting a lot of time trying to become somebody you want to be, but that person doesn't exist. I think you've realized this, but now you have to focus on wanting to be the person you are."

I really am glad you wrote that, It really helps!! Your a smart guy.
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Margaret » 10 Jun 2012, 21:18

Wow, aren't you all being very disrespectful to people who believe in the bible. Just respect everyone's lifestyle choice please (:
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Postby RainbowNerdette » 10 Jun 2012, 21:59

All? Can't find any disrespect in my post and those aren't the only positive posts in here!

Yes I've discarded christianity myself but I'm not saying others should do that!
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Re: Came Out 9/06/12 :)

Postby Lucho » 11 Jun 2012, 16:40

Well, first of all, thank you Rocko for sharing with us something so important for you. Things are not easy sometimes, but you will see that everything is woth it in order to reach your happiness and freedom. You will have lots of hard moments, ups-and-downs, mistake but you will see that you will have lessons from everywhere and that life is amazing if you know how to enjoy your way to your goals, happiness and freedom.

In the other hand. I do believe in God, in Christ, in religion, in the catolisism and everything. But I am not agree in many thing of the CHURCH, that is the bunch of people that leads to the Catolics. I do not think God hate people or gays. What I think is that at some point of the history, the CHURCH (the people) was against it and put rules against it. So...don't hate God! If you want to hate someone...hate people! :-)
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